Thursday 6 April 2017

Born to do Math 30 – Isomorphism - Minds & Universe

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Born to do Math 30 - Isomorphism - Minds & Universe
Scott Douglas Jacobsen & Rick Rosner
April 6, 2017

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Rick Rosner: Yea, but that’s a tough order.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Yes, that is a very tough order [Laughing]!

RR: Because you have all of these different forms of information. For any information processing theory of the universe, there would have to be analogs, physical analogs, for what is going on in our experience of information processing, and in the physics of what processing the information. That’s just—it is at the very least as complicated. So yea, the universe isn’t 0 and 1 proposition because everything is smeared together in quantum mechanics. So what look like 0 and 1 propositions are only approximately or imperfectly 0 and 1 propositions because under the math of quantum mechanics, there’s virtual stuff going on all of the time, ghost stuff, that helps structure the world. Stuff that is not quite real, but has real impact on real interactions. Real interactions are themselves smeared into everything else. Particles are only approximately their own selves.

To some extent, every other particle. Every interaction is to some extent there is a lot of tacitness going on. The universe via QM acts as if stuff happens. The definiteness with which things happen or have happened is all part of this associative net of somewhat nebulous entities in a somewhat nebulous space, which reinforce each other’s imperfect actuality by mutual interaction. The universe bootstraps itself into existence by having a lot of interactions among a lot of particles. More than 10^80th particles all shooting other particles - both real and virtual – at each other to kind of reinforce each other’s actuality with no perfect, immortal completely definite—God doesn’t have a peg board upon which things actually exist. Things can only exist by establishing histories of interaction with a zillion other things.

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Rick Rosner
American Television Writer
Rick Rosner
Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Editor-in-Chief, In-Sight Publishing
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