## Monday, 15 June 2020

### Born to do Math 173 - Math versus Information Spaces

Born to do Math 173 - Math versus Information Spaces
Scott Douglas Jacobsen & Rick Rosner
June 15, 2020

[Beginning of recorded material]

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What if math isn't the way to understand the universe but spatial relationships are the way? Is there interchangeability here if at all?

Rick Rosner: I'll tell you what I tell Carole when Carole wants to set up a separate savings account to make sure that we have money for something. It annoys me. I say, "It is all the same money." No matter the account, we will not have more money if we put the money into another account. In this case, it is all the same. Math and spatial relations, and space, come from some optimization of relation of laying out relationships. The universe is a history of things being linked with each other. It is not just a history. It is a geography of things being linked to each other, relationships. Things like gravitation are indicative of this optimization process. Where there is some kind of rule in play, where you're trying to minimize, if two things are connected, you want to minimize the total collection lengths. If things are connected to each other, then they should be spatially close to one another. There is a temporal aspect. In reality, we experience what we experience. The universe acts the way it acts. In a way, what we experience is a processing of a library of connections among the elements of the universe, the change over time optimized, at least as we experience it, to minimize unnecessary connection lengths.

Things that are related to each other are physically close to each other. You want to minimize the number of really long connections. This probably ties back into quantum physics because a long connection is just a connection or a relationship established at some point in time among two things moving relative to each other and has been uninterrupted for a really long time. For instance, something happens leading to a photon being emitted. The photon gets loose from the solar system. Once it is loose from the solar system, it is likely to go on and on and on for tens of billions of lightyears. Because it is light, that means tens of billions of years. That is a long-distance relationship between the photon and the thing that emitted it. You only have a long, long relationship because nothing detected the photon yet, not for 20 billion years. But the majority of photons are emitted in stars. They don't even travel like a millionth of a millimetre before being detected or intercepted by matter. So, the vast majority of photons do not last long at all. They are indicators of really short relationships, which is at it should be. You want the universe arranged, so you're not wasting your cosmic thread laying out all the super long-distance relationships. You want everything to be as short as possible.

It is conservation something. The universe is full of conservation principles. There are a least action principle and the least time principle for the transmission of light, which results in diffraction. When light goes from travelling through air or nothing into travelling through water, you've got a flashlight in the air. You shine it on a detector that's underwater; the light beam travels through empty space, vacuum or air, until it hits the water and then the angle changes. It bends downward. If you do the mathematics, the bent path that light took or takes is the minimum time path because light moves more slowly in water. So, by travelling a little farther in air, so that it can travel less far in water than if it went in a straight line; light arrives quicker than it would - had it travelled in a straight line. It always takes the minimum time to get from emitter to detector. That's one of the minimization principles of the universe. I would guess that the universe is kind of like an index, a library, of all the connections that have happened over its entire history. The library wants to help itself out by minimizing the duration and length of as many connections as possible.

From that, from this messing with connections, and also reinforcing connections, connections reinforce each other; the universe is defined by its history of connections. From this, it is all the same stuff. Space and math, and time, are all a result of this library-ing, this grouping of connections. To say more would mean that I am talking out of my butt, then it wouldn't be productive.

[End of recorded material]

Authors[1]

American Television Writer

(Updated July 25, 2019)

*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.*

According to some semi-reputable sources gathered in a listing hereRick G. Rosner may have among America's, North America's, and the world’s highest measured IQs at or above 190 (S.D. 15)/196 (S.D. 16) based on several high range test performances created by Christopher HardingJason BettsPaul Cooijmans, and Ronald Hoeflin. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writers Guild Awards and Emmy nominations, and was titled 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Directory with the main "Genius" listing here.

He has written for Remote ControlCrank YankersThe Man ShowThe EmmysThe Grammys, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He worked as a bouncer, a nude art model, a roller-skating waiter, and a stripper. In a television commercialDomino’s Pizza named him the "World’s Smartest Man." The commercial was taken off the air after Subway sandwiches issued a cease-and-desist. He was named "Best Bouncer" in the Denver Area, Colorado, by Westwood Magazine.

Rosner spent much of the late Disco Era as an undercover high school student. In addition, he spent 25 years as a bar bouncer and American fake ID-catcher, and 25+ years as a stripper, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television. Errol Morris featured Rosner in the interview series entitled First Person, where some of this history was covered by Morris. He came in second, or lost, on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? over a flawed question and lost the lawsuit. He won one game and lost one game on Are You Smarter Than a Drunk Person? (He was drunk). Finally, he spent 37+ years working on a time-invariant variation of the Big Bang Theory.

Currently, Rosner sits tweeting in a bathrobe (winter) or a towel (summer). He lives in Los AngelesCalifornia with his wife, dog, and goldfish. He and his wife have a daughter. You can send him money or questions at LanceVersusRick@Gmail.Com, or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Editor-in-Chief, In-Sight Publishing
Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.Com

(Updated January 1, 2020)

Scott Douglas Jacobsen founded In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal and In-Sight Publishing. He authored/co-authored some e-books, free or low-cost. If you want to contact Scott: Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.com.

Endnotes

[1] Four format points for the session article:
1. Bold text following “Scott Douglas Jacobsen:” or “Jacobsen:” is Scott Douglas Jacobsen & non-bold text following “Rick Rosner:” or “Rosner:” is Rick Rosner.
3. Footnotes & in-text citations in the interview & references after the interview.
4. This session article has been edited for clarity and readability.
For further information on the formatting guidelines incorporated into this document, please see the following documents:

Based on a work at www.in-sightjournal.com and www.rickrosner.org.

© Scott Douglas Jacobsen, Rick Rosner, and In-Sight Publishing 2012-2020. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Scott Douglas Jacobsen, Rick Rosner, and In-Sight Publishing with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

## Monday, 8 June 2020

### Born to do Math 172 - William James Sidis: The Tragedy of Underutilized Precocity and a Destroyed Genius

Born to do Math 172 - William James Sidis: The Tragedy of Underutilized Precocity and a Destroyed Genius
Scott Douglas Jacobsen & Rick Rosner
June 8, 2020

[Beginning of recorded material]

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Bill Sidis, William James Sidis, what are some preliminary thoughts to set forth this discussion?

Rick Rosner: If you look at the history of the people who are famous for having a high IQ, Sidis is considered to have had the highest IQ of anybody ever between 250 and 300. He is one of those guys like John Stuart Mill. His dad noticed the intellectual talent and really pushed him. He pushed him, went along with it. This was like 100 years ago, way before tiger parents pushing the kid to enter college at age 15 or 16 or something. He entered Harvard super young. He was teaching at Harvard at age 17. He may or may not have had a nervous breakdown. He ended up working at the post office. He died at age 46 of a brain hemorrhage, as you just told me. He is widely regarded, to the extent that he is regarded at all, as being a cautionary tale for how superintelligence doesn't necessarily get you anything because he worked at the post office and had a hobby of collecting bus transfers. If you need to take more than one bus to get where you needed to go, then the bus would give you a slip of paper functioning as a ticket for the next bus. He collected those. He has been presented as a tragic, really smart loser.

This isn't fair at all. If he had not had the brain hemorrhage, then he might be seen as really successful, because, as he was working at the post office, he was writing a multi-volume... what was it? You know it better than I do.

Jacobsen: Yes, a multi-volume or comprehensive statement of the 100,000-year history of the settlement of the Americas.

Rosner: Of America?

Jacobsen: Of the Americas.

Rosner: Did it ever get published? I assume it did at some point. He was working on this huge fucking work. You can't imagine how shitty life in America was in the 1930s, whenever he worked in the post office. Unemployment got as high as 25%. Here's a guy who would probably not have functioned well as a claims adjuster in an insurance office, or some other office job. He was probably pretty eccentric. He taught at Harvard for a while.

Jacobsen: He was a kid, adolescent, teaching at Harvard.

Rosner: Yes, he probably got cantankerous and grew up. The post office job was pleasant in its repetition and left his mind free to work on this huge deal. Plus, jobs may not have been easy to come by.

Jacobsen: A treatise called The Animate and the Inanimate, which dealt with a reverse universe for reverse cosmology. Buckminster Fuller stated that he made a logical proposition of black holes before black holes were a thing.

Rosner: He liked thinking for thinking's sake. He probably liked the pleasure of his own company. You said he was an atheist. He wasn't an anarchist. He was certainly hyper-liberal.

Jacobsen: He claimed atheist identification, but belief in something other than the human. So, he didn't believe [Laughing] 'the big dad in the sky of the Christians.' Something like this. He, certainly, was critical.

Rosner: He is a smart guy who liked following his own paths of thought and knowledge who had the bad luck to die really young, and who has been packaged ever since as a schadenfreude example of how you don't want to be really smart because then you'll end up working at the post office and having a really odd hobby. I have odd hobbies, which give me pleasure. When I first got to L.A. to know what Southern California is like, I drove around and got a library card from every local library system. I got 44 library cards because I visited all these little communities. That's ridiculous. Also, I have a collection of fake IDs from people while working at bars catching people trying to sneak in. My wife likes micromosaics, really tiny pieces of jewellery made out of slivers of glass on a millimetre scale. I will buy broken ones. I will rehabilitate them. I like doing that. It doesn't mean that might be a little eccentric. It doesn't mean my life is a failure; you could argue on other things, as a failure to fully live up to my potential. Nobody is obligated to live up to their full potential. I try from time to time, but you don't have to be a supergenius to not live up to your full potential.

Jacobsen: Who else is like Sidis and John Stuart Mill?

Rosner: Some parents who noticed the talent and worked them hard at a young age. It happens a lot in sports. Tiger Woods, his dad spotted talent. Tiger Woods was showing off golf skills on the Merv Griffin/Mike Douglas show at age 3. Wayne Gretzky's talent was seen by his dad. His dad built him a hockey rink in the backyard. Gretzky was building his Gladwell 10,000 hours of practice starting at age 3. Venus and Serena Williams's dad saw their talent and got them going really early. Then there are the charlatans, like a woman 20 years ago who was from Colorado, who got the answers to IQ tests and drilled her 4-year-old kid, gave him all the answers to the IQ tests. When he was tested, he had an IQ of 400. Eventually, she got caught.

[End of recorded material]

Authors[1]

American Television Writer

(Updated July 25, 2019)

*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.*

According to some semi-reputable sources gathered in a listing hereRick G. Rosner may have among America's, North America's, and the world’s highest measured IQs at or above 190 (S.D. 15)/196 (S.D. 16) based on several high range test performances created by Christopher HardingJason BettsPaul Cooijmans, and Ronald Hoeflin. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writers Guild Awards and Emmy nominations, and was titled 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Directory with the main "Genius" listing here.

He has written for Remote ControlCrank YankersThe Man ShowThe EmmysThe Grammys, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He worked as a bouncer, a nude art model, a roller-skating waiter, and a stripper. In a television commercialDomino’s Pizza named him the "World’s Smartest Man." The commercial was taken off the air after Subway sandwiches issued a cease-and-desist. He was named "Best Bouncer" in the Denver Area, Colorado, by Westwood Magazine.

Rosner spent much of the late Disco Era as an undercover high school student. In addition, he spent 25 years as a bar bouncer and American fake ID-catcher, and 25+ years as a stripper, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television. Errol Morris featured Rosner in the interview series entitled First Person, where some of this history was covered by Morris. He came in second, or lost, on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? over a flawed question and lost the lawsuit. He won one game and lost one game on Are You Smarter Than a Drunk Person? (He was drunk). Finally, he spent 37+ years working on a time-invariant variation of the Big Bang Theory.

Currently, Rosner sits tweeting in a bathrobe (winter) or a towel (summer). He lives in Los AngelesCalifornia with his wife, dog, and goldfish. He and his wife have a daughter. You can send him money or questions at LanceVersusRick@Gmail.Com, or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Editor-in-Chief, In-Sight Publishing
Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.Com

(Updated January 1, 2020)

Scott Douglas Jacobsen founded In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal and In-Sight Publishing. He authored/co-authored some e-books, free or low-cost. If you want to contact Scott: Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.com.

Endnotes

[1] Four format points for the session article:
1. Bold text following “Scott Douglas Jacobsen:” or “Jacobsen:” is Scott Douglas Jacobsen & non-bold text following “Rick Rosner:” or “Rosner:” is Rick Rosner.
3. Footnotes & in-text citations in the interview & references after the interview.
4. This session article has been edited for clarity and readability.
For further information on the formatting guidelines incorporated into this document, please see the following documents:

Based on a work at www.in-sightjournal.com and www.rickrosner.org.

© Scott Douglas Jacobsen, Rick Rosner, and In-Sight Publishing 2012-2020. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Scott Douglas Jacobsen, Rick Rosner, and In-Sight Publishing with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

## Monday, 1 June 2020

### Born to do Math 171 - 'Danger' in 'Dangerous' Jobs for Austin 'Danger' Powers

Born to do Math 171 - 'Danger' in 'Dangerous' Jobs for Austin 'Danger' Powers
Scott Douglas Jacobsen & Rick Rosner
June 1, 2020

[Beginning of recorded material]

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What have been the dangerous jobs?

Rick Rosner: Nothing has been that dangerous. When bouncing bars, every once in a while, they would punch me. Drunk people don't hit very hard. At one bar, the Oar House, it was on the border of Venice and Santa Monica with gang people who you would see every once in a while. Somebody, a bicyclist, pissed off a gang guy. He was shot at. I saw the bullet ricochet off the pavement.

I guess, that's slightly dangerous. Another at the same bar when I was not there was standing out front. A car pulled out into the intersection without knowing a truck full of gang guys was coming out at 80 miles an hour. She underestimated the speed of this oncoming vehicle, because they went much slower. There was a collision. The truck rotated in the air, there was a guy, or two, in the pickup truck, which, as it rotated, the bottom of the bed became parallel to a light pole. It covers one of the guys in the pickup truck in half.

The bottom of the guy hit the bouncer, who would be where I would have stood if I was there, in the arm and broke his arm.

Jacobsen: That's insane [Laughing].

Rosner: [Laughing] Yeah. The same bar, I got dragged out by my hair. You don't want long hair as a bouncer. The guy had whipped a glass beer mug across the bar and cut somebody's head open. Two bars were throwing him out. I came over. He grabbed my hair. I dropped to the ground. The bar bouncers were smashing this guy's head on whatever they could on the way out. I got my head smashed minorly as he wouldn't let go. I got bitten a couple of times working at a bar. I got bit a couple of years ago, who I was paid to harass by giving him a strip tease.

[End of recorded material]

Authors[1]

American Television Writer

(Updated July 25, 2019)

*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.*

According to some semi-reputable sources gathered in a listing hereRick G. Rosner may have among America's, North America's, and the world’s highest measured IQs at or above 190 (S.D. 15)/196 (S.D. 16) based on several high range test performances created by Christopher HardingJason BettsPaul Cooijmans, and Ronald Hoeflin. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writers Guild Awards and Emmy nominations, and was titled 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Directory with the main "Genius" listing here.

He has written for Remote ControlCrank YankersThe Man ShowThe EmmysThe Grammys, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He worked as a bouncer, a nude art model, a roller-skating waiter, and a stripper. In a television commercialDomino’s Pizza named him the "World’s Smartest Man." The commercial was taken off the air after Subway sandwiches issued a cease-and-desist. He was named "Best Bouncer" in the Denver Area, Colorado, by Westwood Magazine.

Rosner spent much of the late Disco Era as an undercover high school student. In addition, he spent 25 years as a bar bouncer and American fake ID-catcher, and 25+ years as a stripper, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television. Errol Morris featured Rosner in the interview series entitled First Person, where some of this history was covered by Morris. He came in second, or lost, on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? over a flawed question and lost the lawsuit. He won one game and lost one game on Are You Smarter Than a Drunk Person? (He was drunk). Finally, he spent 37+ years working on a time-invariant variation of the Big Bang Theory.

Currently, Rosner sits tweeting in a bathrobe (winter) or a towel (summer). He lives in Los AngelesCalifornia with his wife, dog, and goldfish. He and his wife have a daughter. You can send him money or questions at LanceVersusRick@Gmail.Com, or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Editor-in-Chief, In-Sight Publishing
Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.Com

(Updated January 1, 2020)

Scott Douglas Jacobsen founded In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal and In-Sight Publishing. He authored/co-authored some e-books, free or low-cost. If you want to contact Scott: Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.com.

Endnotes

[1] Four format points for the session article:
1. Bold text following “Scott Douglas Jacobsen:” or “Jacobsen:” is Scott Douglas Jacobsen & non-bold text following “Rick Rosner:” or “Rosner:” is Rick Rosner.
3. Footnotes & in-text citations in the interview & references after the interview.
4. This session article has been edited for clarity and readability.
For further information on the formatting guidelines incorporated into this document, please see the following documents:

Based on a work at www.in-sightjournal.com and www.rickrosner.org.

© Scott Douglas Jacobsen, Rick Rosner, and In-Sight Publishing 2012-2020. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Scott Douglas Jacobsen, Rick Rosner, and In-Sight Publishing with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

## Friday, 22 May 2020

### Born to do Math 170 - Odds of Odd Jobs

Born to do Math 170 - Odds of Odd Jobs
Scott Douglas Jacobsen & Rick Rosner
May 22, 2020

[Beginning of recorded material]

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What are the odd jobs?

Rick Rosner: The oddest job I ever got was in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I worked for a stripping telegram company. That's not that odd. What was odd, my boss would call me with other jobs. He called me one time. I had to show up at somebody's house and dump a bucket of water on aa guy because he and his wife were having an escalating water fight. I show up at the house. I am not that physically adept. I throw the bucket of water at the guy. I miss him with most of the water and clip him in the head a bit with the bucket.

Jacobsen: [Laughing].

Rosner: Although, it was a plastic bucket. I doubt these people stayed together much longer. Because when you're hiring people to assault your husband, even if it is all in good fun, and if you're living in Albuquerque, everybody gets divorced anyway. It was an odd job. Also, in Albuqurque, I worked at the Fat Chance Bar & Grill as a bouncer. One of my duties at the end of the night is people would throw their pennies at the end of the night into the urinal. My job was to fish the pennies out of the urinal. I would fish them out. I was broke. I would use them to help pay for cans of chunky clam chowder, which I would mix with a can of tuna. I was lifting weights. I liked the calories. I liked the protein. I used to eat cans of tuna, just dry out of the can, which is miserable. Also stupid, it is hard on the kidneys to eat that much protein. Putting the tuna in the chowder made it palatable.

I've had jobs where I model for somebody. This hasn't happened in more than 30 years now. The guy, it is always a guy, would ask if I would get a boner. And... I said, "Yeah." He wouldn't touch the boner. But he would look at the boner. Getting a boner [Laughing] is an odd job.

Jacobsen: You've been naked a lot in T.V. and a movie.

Rosner: Oh, yeah! Being naked is not that common of a job, I have been naked, maybe, 1,500 times, roughly, in public, for money, generally. One time, I wanted to get naked to be an a-hole, at a party. I would not get naked for free because that is perverted; they would pay whatever pocket change, like 73 cents or something. I went undercover as a high school student a few times. But that was self-assigned. Nobody gave me that job.

Jacobsen: "Hello, fellow kids!"

Rosner: Do you know what movie that is from?

Jacobsen: The Simpsons?

Rosner: That is one of the best memes. I saw this with Steve Buscemi with a backwards hat and a skateboard saying, "Hello, fellow kids!"

Jacobsen: Oh wait, you're right. It is 30 Rock

[End of recorded material]

Authors[1]

American Television Writer

(Updated July 25, 2019)

*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.*

According to some semi-reputable sources gathered in a listing hereRick G. Rosner may have among America's, North America's, and the world’s highest measured IQs at or above 190 (S.D. 15)/196 (S.D. 16) based on several high range test performances created by Christopher HardingJason BettsPaul Cooijmans, and Ronald Hoeflin. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writers Guild Awards and Emmy nominations, and was titled 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Directory with the main "Genius" listing here.

He has written for Remote ControlCrank YankersThe Man ShowThe EmmysThe Grammys, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He worked as a bouncer, a nude art model, a roller-skating waiter, and a stripper. In a television commercialDomino’s Pizza named him the "World’s Smartest Man." The commercial was taken off the air after Subway sandwiches issued a cease-and-desist. He was named "Best Bouncer" in the Denver Area, Colorado, by Westwood Magazine.

Rosner spent much of the late Disco Era as an undercover high school student. In addition, he spent 25 years as a bar bouncer and American fake ID-catcher, and 25+ years as a stripper, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television. Errol Morris featured Rosner in the interview series entitled First Person, where some of this history was covered by Morris. He came in second, or lost, on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? over a flawed question and lost the lawsuit. He won one game and lost one game on Are You Smarter Than a Drunk Person? (He was drunk). Finally, he spent 37+ years working on a time-invariant variation of the Big Bang Theory.

Currently, Rosner sits tweeting in a bathrobe (winter) or a towel (summer). He lives in Los AngelesCalifornia with his wife, dog, and goldfish. He and his wife have a daughter. You can send him money or questions at LanceVersusRick@Gmail.Com, or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Editor-in-Chief, In-Sight Publishing
Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.Com

(Updated January 1, 2020)

Scott Douglas Jacobsen founded In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal and In-Sight Publishing. He authored/co-authored some e-books, free or low-cost. If you want to contact Scott: Scott.D.Jacobsen@Gmail.com.

Endnotes

[1] Four format points for the session article:
1. Bold text following “Scott Douglas Jacobsen:” or “Jacobsen:” is Scott Douglas Jacobsen & non-bold text following “Rick Rosner:” or “Rosner:” is Rick Rosner.
3. Footnotes & in-text citations in the interview & references after the interview.
4. This session article has been edited for clarity and readability.
For further information on the formatting guidelines incorporated into this document, please see the following documents:

Based on a work at www.in-sightjournal.com and www.rickrosner.org.