Born to do Math 120 - Forms of Order: Calling All Photons, Final Boarding Call for Registration
Scott Douglas Jacobsen & Rick Rosner
May 15, 2019
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This notion of non-base quantifiable phenomena in our consciousness, not just 1s and 0s, are registered in the universe in another way. That's an open question.
Rick Rosner: Kind of, we know that every little quantum event is registered by the universe. If you make sure that some events are not known and never known to the wider, universe, then they never register with the wider universe.
The events, though, and quantum events are such that they are shared with the rest of the universe. The question is if the quantum events have meaning to the overall information processing of the universe. I would argue that that would be a really tough row to hole... row to hoe [Laughing].
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Rosner: That's expecting way too much out of the computational universe. Instead, it might be better modelled to say that micro-events happen and the universe is built from microevents, but the overall state that the universe knows and computes is based on more macro phenomena.
Jacobsen: There is a sense of things being built from blocks. You give the Minecraft example in other interviews. If we take the micro world being built from little blocks, itty-bitty blocks, into a larger scale universe, then it becomes a sense of not just bottom-up construction, but top-down influence with the larger scale influence of all those little bits wrangling things together, like gravitational effects, where you have this agglomeration into things like galaxies.
Rosner: Yes.
Jacobsen: So, there could be another conversation around the feedback loops that the universe has with itself once it gets to sufficient levels of size for other forces in the universe to begin to wrangle things together.
Rosner: The universe functions in a Minecraft or a Lego block way, what is registers is the macro form of the clay, as it is being sculpted, but doesn't have a prescription that requires a strict recipe or set of instructions for putting together a sculpture in the same way that you might have if you were putting together a Lego sculpture of the Millennium Falcon.
If you buy the Millennium Falcon Lego kit, there is only one way to build it, according to their instructions. There may be workarounds. But you buy the kit and follow the instructions step-by-step. The two competent model builders who aren't being creative will end up with identical Millennium Falcons.
So, I am thinking doesn't scrutinize micro-events with that degree of awareness, as to whether each Millennium Falcon is perfect. The more the universe has a somebody looking at a clay sculpture level of awareness. When you look at a clay sculpture, it seems as if infinitely malleable.
But you see that it is the difference between analog and digital. It feels as if you can move clay into an infinity of positions, and you're not aware of the individual components of the clay, you're only aware of this gray stuff that appears to be homogenous and infinitely deformable as opposed to a digital construction medium.
In it, you're aware of all the blocks and how the blocks fit together. You're not aware of all the individual components of clay. It is this homogenous and amorphous stuff. You're aware of its larger sculptural forms.
If somebody has made it into the sculpture of a head, and if you're aware of the hair if the hair is really nice - and the years, but, you're not aware at what is going on at 10^22 orders of magnitude smaller than the overall sculpture - the individual atoms.
Rick Rosner: Kind of, we know that every little quantum event is registered by the universe. If you make sure that some events are not known and never known to the wider, universe, then they never register with the wider universe.
The events, though, and quantum events are such that they are shared with the rest of the universe. The question is if the quantum events have meaning to the overall information processing of the universe. I would argue that that would be a really tough row to hole... row to hoe [Laughing].
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Rosner: That's expecting way too much out of the computational universe. Instead, it might be better modelled to say that micro-events happen and the universe is built from microevents, but the overall state that the universe knows and computes is based on more macro phenomena.
Jacobsen: There is a sense of things being built from blocks. You give the Minecraft example in other interviews. If we take the micro world being built from little blocks, itty-bitty blocks, into a larger scale universe, then it becomes a sense of not just bottom-up construction, but top-down influence with the larger scale influence of all those little bits wrangling things together, like gravitational effects, where you have this agglomeration into things like galaxies.
Rosner: Yes.
Jacobsen: So, there could be another conversation around the feedback loops that the universe has with itself once it gets to sufficient levels of size for other forces in the universe to begin to wrangle things together.
Rosner: The universe functions in a Minecraft or a Lego block way, what is registers is the macro form of the clay, as it is being sculpted, but doesn't have a prescription that requires a strict recipe or set of instructions for putting together a sculpture in the same way that you might have if you were putting together a Lego sculpture of the Millennium Falcon.
If you buy the Millennium Falcon Lego kit, there is only one way to build it, according to their instructions. There may be workarounds. But you buy the kit and follow the instructions step-by-step. The two competent model builders who aren't being creative will end up with identical Millennium Falcons.
So, I am thinking doesn't scrutinize micro-events with that degree of awareness, as to whether each Millennium Falcon is perfect. The more the universe has a somebody looking at a clay sculpture level of awareness. When you look at a clay sculpture, it seems as if infinitely malleable.
But you see that it is the difference between analog and digital. It feels as if you can move clay into an infinity of positions, and you're not aware of the individual components of the clay, you're only aware of this gray stuff that appears to be homogenous and infinitely deformable as opposed to a digital construction medium.
In it, you're aware of all the blocks and how the blocks fit together. You're not aware of all the individual components of clay. It is this homogenous and amorphous stuff. You're aware of its larger sculptural forms.
If somebody has made it into the sculpture of a head, and if you're aware of the hair if the hair is really nice - and the years, but, you're not aware at what is going on at 10^22 orders of magnitude smaller than the overall sculpture - the individual atoms.
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Authors[1]
Rick Rosner
American Television Writer
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Rick Rosner
(Updated March 7, 2019)
According to semi-reputable sources, Rick Rosner has the world’s second-highest IQ. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writers Guild Award and Emmy nominations, and was named 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Registry.
He has written for Remote Control, Crank Yankers, The Man Show, The Emmys, The Grammys, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He worked as a bouncer, a nude art model, a roller-skating waiter, and a stripper. In a television commercial, Domino’s Pizza named him the "World’s Smartest Man." The commercial was taken off the air after Subway sandwiches issued a cease-and-desist. He was named "Best Bouncer" in the Denver Area, Colorado, by Westwood Magazine.
Rosner spent much of the late Disco Era as an undercover high school student. In addition, he spent 25 years as a bar bouncer and American fake ID-catcher, and 25+ years as a stripper, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television. He came in second or lost on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire over a flawed question and lost the lawsuit. He won one game and lost one game on Are You Smarter Than a Drunk Person? (He was drunk). Finally, he spent 37+ years working on a time invariant variation of the Big Bang Theory.
Currently, Rosner sits tweeting in a bathrobe (winter) or a towel (summer). He lives in Los Angeles, California with his wife, dog, and goldfish. He and his wife have a daughter. You can send him money or questions at LanceversusRick@Gmail.Com, or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube.
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