Monday, 27 March 2017

Born to do Math 20 – ‘Code, Where Art Thou?’

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Born to do Math 20 - 'Code, Where Art Thou?'
Scott Douglas Jacobsen & Rick Rosner
March 27, 2017

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Rick Rosner: It seems—because – ugh – for the universe to be an information processor you’ve got an entirely different universe overlaid over the universe we experience. We experience the universe as matter. We experience the universe as matter. We experience it as a physical world. But if the universe information being processed, then that information is itself a picture of the world, and probably not the universe that we experience.

But a whole other construct made of that information. And to have to mediate between the physical world we experience, the code that would mediate between that and whatever world is pictured by the information that we don’t experience as information, but that we experience as matter and space. That seems to be a huge burden, an impossible burden, for you to hang that much secret code.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: It seems the same with our own minds.

RR: Yea! Where is all of that code, we don’t see the world. Our brains model the world, so we don’t see our dendrites or any kind of information map. We see the results of that map, which is a picture of the world. But we’re not seeing the world. We’re seeing a model of the world that has been constructed in our brains with thought plus sensory information. So it is a complete overlay.

You’ve got our brains, which is a whole physical environment. Then we’ve got this world that is connected to the brain, but it presents us with a whole different set of images and thoughts. That interface is—well, if that interface has to be based on code, that’s a lot, a lot of code.

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Rick Rosner
American Television Writer
Rick Rosner
Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Editor-in-Chief, In-Sight Publishing
In-Sight Publishing
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